On September 28, 2019, Hull Inc. held a Pasocommini PC-8001 experience session at a radio department store in Akihabara.
At midnight on the day, it was announced to sell "Pasocommini PC-8001" at the experience session, and talk events by many star programmen who produced a masterpiece software for PC-8001 in the early 1980s.It was conducted.Let's talk about everything.
・ Many fans come!Experience report of "Pasocommini PC-8001" ~ VOL.1 ~ Fan Fun's Miyata and Mr. Geimu Madman who posted a lot to "I/O" are on the stage -VOL.2 ~ ・ NEC PC-8001 developers and the author of "Run! Skyline" will be on stage, showing the hardships of those days ~ VOL.3- ・ Akira Takeuchi of "Orion 80" and Hitoshi Suzuki of "Jupiter Lander" will be on stage, and the story of Bill Gates at the time ~ VOL.4 ~
With the talk of Goto and Kato, the guerrilla talk on this day ended.After that, the only talk show from 16:00 and 17:00, when Twitter's official account was announced.Let's tell the talk show from 16:00.The guest is Akira Takeuchi, the author of Orion 80.
『オリオン80』の作者である竹内氏
[Mitsuhara]: This talk show is Akira Takeuchi, an developer of Orion 80.
[Mr. Takeuchi]: The name Akira Takeuchi, the pen name, thank you.
[Mitsuhara]: You're also making other famous games, MSX's "Teseus".
[Mr. Takeuchi]: It's a famous word, but it's "Teseus" or "Il Gas".
[Mitsuhara]: Is "Orion 80" the original PC-6001 version?
[Takeuchi]: That's right.
[Mitsuhara]: The PC-8001 version was transplanted?
[Mr. Takeuchi]: That's right.
[Mitsuhara]: Why did you try to transplant?
[Mr. Takeuchi]: There was a "AX" series in a package for PC-6001.Since the PC-8001 version of this is to be created, "AY-1" was released, but this was a bit difficult.The person in charge was different from the "AX" series, so the "AX" series person in charge came to talk, and the "AX" series Machida said, "Make Takeuchi for the time being."。At that time, the times were progressing, and it was around the time when the editor and the pinball consumption set came out.That's why the editor is interesting, it's like putting an editor.I was able to do that, so it was interesting.
[Mitsuhara]: "Orion 80" was a rare 3D display at the time, so I thought that it could be rewritten at that speed, but was that a lot of workers around?
[Mr. Takeuchi]: There is a game that is the source of this work for Apple II, and when you see it, you can say, "You can do it."At the level of the idea, it was very easy to understand, so it is a simple game, for example, how to implement this with PC-6001 or PC-8001.
After that, I myself like FPS and I don't like my own aircraft in the foreground.And I loved "Star Wars", so let me do it!When.If you do your best for a few days, you will get speed, and the frame rate will be about 10fps at PC-6001.Probably only about 3FPS when the enemy is approaching, but when you do not come out, everyone is rushing and played (the venue laugh).
[Mitsuhara]: Was Mr. Takeuchi designed all of the fun of the game?
[Mr. Takeuchi]: Basically, at that time, everyone was doing it alone.
[Mitsuhara]: How many days did you make "Orion 80"?
[Mr. Takeuchi]: It took about three months.
当時のゲームとしては、非常に高速で動く3Dシューティングゲーム『オリオン80』[Mitsuhara]: What was the PC that Mr. Takeuchi first touched?
[Mr. Takeuchi]: I think the first PET2001 was touched in Seibu.You could use it freely in Seibu in Shibuya.In the daytime, I got out of school classes and went to Shibuya.
[Mitsuhara]: It's a bad person (laughs).
[Mr. Takeuchi]: Isn't it normal (laughs)?
[Mitsuhara]: Oh, it's an ordinary person (laughs).
[Mr. Takeuchi]: There are few classes in the third year of high school.So I had time to get out.
[Mitsuhara]: Our company (Hull Lab) originated in Ikebukuro Seibu department store, so it is a department store in Shibuya.
[Takeuchi]: This is Shibuya Gumi.
[Mitsuhara]: Those who gathered there ...?
[Mr. Takeuchi]: No, not.At that time, I was a high school student, so I entered college, so I didn't have any money at first, so I didn't have a personal computer, so my parents bought it, so I only practiced touch typing.After that, I borrowed Apple II and bought it, so when I was thinking about how to repay it, I decided to make a game at the club and program "Orion 80".PC-8001 is good for games, but I think the balance was really good in terms of using anything.When I first saw it on the RGB monitor, the letters were also very beautiful.The screen editor made in ASCII was quite fast, and the development was very fast.So I wonder if I could make it quite quickly.
[Mitsuhara]: Is it still made as a student?
[Mr. Takeuchi]: When I was a student.He is not an ASCII employee.
[Mitsuhara]: How did you learn the program?
[Mr. Takeuchi]: When I was in high school, I had a calculator of about 30,000 yen called Texas Instruments Ti-58, so I touched on the program.After that, I met PET2001 and did BASIC, and next was Apple II, so I wrote a lot of programs in 6502.After that, I came to work, so I used Z80 there.
[Mitsuhara]: Do you like assembler instead?
[Mr. Takeuchi]: If it is not an assembler, you can not write it.
[Mitsuhara]: Did you have a lot of people who are computers around?
[Mr. Takeuchi]: I was in My Con Club, so there were a lot of smart people and I worked hard.
[Mitsuhara]: Until now, the guests have posted magazines, but Mr. Takeuchi posted a magazine?
[Mr. Takeuchi]: I haven't done it at all.I announced it in the club or at the school festival, and I didn't have much time.There was not much posting culture in the club.
[Mitsuhara]: Did you buy a magazine?
[Mr. Takeuchi]: I bought it and read it.That's why I know the Geizumi Madman very well.
[Mitsuhara]: Please let me know if you were glad to use PC-8001 or what you wanted to make.
[Mr. Takeuchi]: I wanted to make it ... As I said earlier, I have been working on computer software because PC-8001 can work and work, so I have been working on computer software.I don't think I did it if I didn't.Of course, there were many games that I liked and like Apple, but I think it's because of PC-8001.
Also, I have been doing Asahi Net for about 30 years since then, and I was a little late in the communication system, so I felt that I wanted to try the communication relationship a little earlier.That way, I was able to play with "Orion 80".
[Mitsuhara]: Finally, if you want to tell you, please.
[Takeuchi]: My current job is a real -time questionnaire system.Actually, there was a person who made my "Orion" fan site called "Orion Altimania".The person quit SEGA and entered the Asahi Net, and after that he has been working together.He is a very guy who can do it and still has a game -like job, so if you see the software named "Respons", thank you.
[Mitsuhara]: Thank you.
The sixth talk show ended, and the last talk show has finally begun at 17:00.It was Hitoshi Suzuki, a programmer for Jupiter Lander.
『ジュピターランダー』を手がけた、鈴木氏
[Mitsuhara]: Please give a talk show to Hitoshi Suzuki, the author of "Jupiter Lander".He was a nickname Jeyy, and he often called Suzuki as a master in Hull Lab, but why are he masters?
[Mr. Suzuki]: I am a member before Hal Lab becomes a company organization, but at that time there were other Tanimura (former Halen President) and Iwata of Nintendo.Among them, there was a high school student named Kan (Koaki).He was a very cheeky guy in the habit of high school students, and he had been developing a program with his condominiums across Showa -dori as hideouts, and had been doing mahjong all the time as an "important important thing" (venue laughing).。
So, at that time, I was talking about the mahjong manga that I was doing, "The back is soot", and that kind of thing came to call me someday.In that trend, everyone began to call him a master.So, I'm not a master of the program but a master from Mahjong (the venue laugh).It is called a master.
[Mitsuhara]: I was in my place as a master of the program, so if I didn't say it right now, I would have thought so all the time (laughs).Suzuki is also the author of Jupiter Lander, but there are many other.
What I know well is the author of "MSX Bay Shi -kun", who has left a trace of this industry, such as making MSX BASIC compilers and interviewing MSX Turbers in the past.I think you are a person, but please give me one episode around here.
会場には実機のPC-8001だけでなく、PCG-8100も展示されていた。このPCGを作ったのが鈴木氏だ[Mr. Suzuki]: I'm not a person in the game, but a system -related person.I forgot to introduce one important thing, but I made the PCG!(Venue applause).
[Mitsuhara]: I'm sorry (laughs).
[Suzuki]: I heard about making a small PC-8001, but I never thought that a small PCG would come under it, so I was surprised to see the news on the net before.Did.I think it's nice to have a small on -off switch firmly, so I'm looking forward to it because I can get one operation later.
Also, in the old Hull Lab, are you creating a system rather than being in charge of games? For example, it was a "network -like" environment, and everyone was doing floppy and connecting it with a serial line. After that, I entered that company, ASCII, and when I came back to the "Tandy M100" NEC, it was a PC-8201, I made it to Microsoft, and when I came back, I did MSX. Write BASIC for MSX, write DOS for MSX, write MSXDOS2, and make BIOS to switch between two CPUs. What I think I could do with MSX is a Japanese kanji driver. It is said that a huge rice ball -like character, such as "some 64 dots," is displayed in bonbon and kanji, and can also be converted to Japanese. In fact, I'm secretly proud, but there is a sad reality that no one praised (laughs).
In such a case, I am an engineer who has been helping to make games in the era of Hal Lab, making PCG, moving to ASCII, and doing MSX all the time.
[Mitsuhara]: When I looked at the net, I heard that Suzuki -san was famous, and I was working with Bill Gates, and I heard that Birgates did not write the program. but?
[Suzuki]: It is true that I entered ASCII and was immediately seconded to Microsoft for one year, working with Bill Gates at that time.From that time, it is true that the building has begun to place more weight on the management, and he no longer writes the code himself.The two of them have been combined and the building has lost confidence and stopped writing the program because I lost the programming game with me, but this urban legend itself is so delicious (venue big laughter.), I try not to deny as much as possible (laughs).
[Mitsuhara]: Mr. Suzuki, where did you touch the computer?
[Mr. Suzuki]: My first programming experience was HP (Hewlett Packard), and in the past it was YHP (Yokogawa Hewlett Packard), but this (microchariculator) 25 mini?A small programming calculator with a 49 programming step, that's the starting point of my computing.When I checked later, I was very disappointed that Iwata had the top model that could read YHP's magnetic tape (laughs).
[Mitsuhara]: How long is it in Showa?
[Suzuki]: 1978. Before PC-8001 is born. After that, the famous TK-80 came out, and I bought it and assembled it, but it wasn't more interesting, so I pulled all the chips, used all parts to make my favorite bus structure. I put everything in and made my own computer. When I wondered what to do with the BIOS, there was an EEPROM that could be electrically erased, so I made a reservation by calling NEC Bit-Inn here (radio hall) to program. I will do it. What month, what time, please use it. When you go to the reservation date, you will use Promlita. Therefore, you can program and program the hexadecimable plural codes, go home, insert it into the machine at home, and if you do not move, call again and make a reservation. Doing this kind of thing moves the first bootloader. I did that every day.
[Mitsuhara]: It's not where you are listening to the story of "Jupiter Lander" (laughs).Is it a person who has a lot of hardware?
[Mr. Suzuki]: At that time, if you say "microcomputer is a hobby", you can't do anything unless you can play hardware.So, I didn't have a specialized education, but I did it.Tanimura was really angry."Why are you working with such a sloppy design?" (Laughs).This is a miracle.
[Mitsuhara]: Tanimura is now the chairman of our (Hull Lab) and is in the future (laughs).
[Mr. Suzuki]: The reason why I was angry was that I made a PCG first, but I pulled out the ROM of the character generator, inserted the flexible cable socket there, and pulled it up, and pulled it out.I insert it there.It is a miracle that the circuit that is moving at the frequency of the video is extended to the top with a flat cable without any crafts, and it is moving.It is said, "I still don't know why it works."I didn't know anything at the time, so I could do it with a scary thing.If it is now, it is never allowed.It was a miraculous product.
[Mitsuhara]: I've been mass -produced a lot.
[Suzuki]: Hey.At the time of business, I went around the customer, "It doesn't work."Anyway, there were a lot of stories that it was difficult to understand, but I remember saying, "I don't know that."But it's a level instruction manual that is not allowed now.
[Mitsuhara]: Even if you look at the old magazine, it was often written that "I do not know the instruction manual."
[Suzuki]: That's right (laughs).
[Mitsuhara]: Is "Jupiter Lander" made to take advantage of the PCG function?
[Suzuki]: That's right.This kind of software has long been a genre called "Luna Lander", but the title is "Luna", so I thought it was Jupiter, thinking about where to go.We pursued only one point there, where the radar tip of the radar would crash on the rock.From now on, I think it's probably not a game or shit, but it looks flashy.
「PasocomMini PC-8001」に収録されている『ジュピターランダー』。大勢でハイスコア争いをすると、非常に盛り上がるゲームだ[Mitsuhara]: When I made "Pasocommini MZ-80C", I couldn't find the MZ version of "Jupiter Rander", so I am transplanted and transplanted "Jupiter Lander" for PC-8001.That's it.Actually, the PC-8001 version is moving in the "Pasocomini MZ-80C", which is changed only by the screen, but at that time, I looked at Suzuki's code, and the register with Z80 so beautifully.I thought it was unusual for people to use it.
[Mr. Suzuki]: I remembered the reverse Ambul, but once in the past, I did the source code of PC-8001 in the Hidekazu trading system ... I did that (laughs).
[Mitsuhara]: In fact, the advertisement of Hull Lab also wrote "N-BASIC source code will be released" for only one or two months, but maybe that?
[Mr. Suzuki]: I think there was a lot of rights relationships, and I thought that I was published by the "person" who was the director of ASCII at that time, but I definitely got a money.do not have.However, I understand the contents of Microsoft BASIC, and when I was skipped by Microsoft, I had a job that transplanted Basic to each model, but for the first time I first touched the Microsoft BASIC source code, but it is almost already.I knew it, so it was really easy.
[Mitsuhara]: That book has a lot of comments.That comment is Suzuki -san?
[Mr. Suzuki]: Everything is my comment, it's already prescription (laughs).That book was a revolutionary book in terms of copyright of software, and was a trial thanks to that (laughs).
[Mitsuhara]: Finally, what is the charm of PC-8001 as seen from Suzuki?
[Suzuki]: Hull Lab is originally a 6502 company.However, it is not Apple.I don't know why, but they all started with PET2001.So, as expected, the market is small, and if you sell it in Japan, it's PC-8001!That's why it feels like somehow.
How do I praise it ... I guess it was a groundbreaking machine that built an era.
[Mitsuhara]: Thank you for the model answer (laughs).
トークショーには、多くのお客さんが詰めかけた。平均年齢が40～50歳代というのも特徴だろう
At the experience session that started at 12:00, a talk show of 7 groups was eventually held.The venue may have been informed that the PC-8001 has a charm that does not decline even after the release of 40 years after the release of the venue.
"Pasocommini PC-8001", but can now be purchased by mail order on the official website.It is said that there will be an increase in recording software in the future, so if you are interested, please get it.
Also, if you want to use the software at the time at the time of "Pasocommini PC-8001", please refer to this distribution video.
【PasocomMini PC-8001単体発売記念配信！テープソフトの吸い出し→超高速ロードも実演します【今夜は生ピーガー】】
